Soulful Chats with Psychologist & Co-Parenting Coach, Tiffany Rochester

Tatiana Da Silva: Welcome to the Integrated Wisdom Podcast. I'm your host, Tatiana DaSilva. Join me as we discuss what it means to live an integrated life and explore ways for you to create a life filled with greater meaning, peace and connection by integrating the wisdom of. Spirituality, psychology, neuroscience, epigenetics, and energy psychology.

I hope to empower you to create deeper and more loving connections with yourself and others, whilst also paving the way for humanity at large to be reimagined and inspired to become the very best version of.

So welcome everybody. I'm so excited to share this conversation with you all today. I have my dear friend and colleague, Tiffany Chester joining me for a church today. Tiffany has the most incredible mission working with separated families, which. I feel very strongly is such a spiritual mission because it's about helping families, you know, exist in, in unison and harmony, even when things haven't worked out and how they may have intended.

Um, Tiffany is a psychologist and co-parenting coach who's dedicated to nurturing families and providing unwavering support to parents, ensuring that children can thrive in warm relationships with both parents. A deep understanding of the detrimental, emotional and financial impact of the adversarial legal systems on families.

Tiffany is resolute in her mission to guide separated parents towards collaborative pathways to success in their new lives, all while raising their children as a unified family across two homes, free from the constraints of litigious processes. Drawing from a wealth of experience for spending two decades, Tiffany brings to the table an extensive background in working with complex families.

She combines her expertise in the science of human behavior and the power of compassion to offer swift relief and open new opportunities for separated families. Welcome to, I'm so excited to have you here today and for this very, very important conversation.

Tiffany Rochester: Thank you so much for having me t and I've been really looking forward to it.

Um, yeah, really excited to be here.

Tatiana Da Silva: Yeah. So why don't you share a little bit more about yourself in terms of, you know, um, your mission. Like what sparked your, what led you into this very important work?

Tiffany Rochester: It's, it, there's what's I think a long story and a short story. Let's see if I can make it that, the short story.

Otherwise, we'll, podcast. I always had a strong sense of call to, uh, work for the wellbeing of children and families. And when I first started my career as I, as I was studying. I thought that that was about working with teenagers and that was what I was very focused on, was wanting to go in and support teens through what can be such a, a tricky tumultuous time.

And then as I stepped into my early career, I very quickly learned that if I was serious about supporting teenagers, then I actually need to be serious about supporting families and working with the entire system. And it's also looking at the. The, yeah, time, I guess O of childhood, because if we can help kids when they're very little then, then their teen years aren't sort of tumultuous and, and then they can go and become healthy adults who may become parents themselves and raise healthy kids as well.

And then as I moved my way through my career, I began working with separated families who were locked in the founding court system. And that was. Uh, ly experienced to witness what, what these families were being subjected to. And the point that they were stepping into my room was when they had already been locked in adversarial process for years and spending tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and looking at the toll of that on these people come into my room thinking about the number of years that I've been trying to parent these children through that.

It was just really clear that the, the wrong solutions were being put in place. And what these families needed was not to be sent to someone like me When a magistrate determines that they need some support, but rather that we would be there right from the beginning, right from the get go to support and resource families through such a tricky transition with care and nurture,

Tatiana Da Silva: because

Tiffany Rochester: people have.

People have the right to end an unhealthy relationship that is not serving them. And those can end in healthy ways and there is not a need for the parents or for the children to suffer in that process.

Tatiana Da Silva: Oh, absolutely. Such a harrowing process and system, isn't it? So having a, another alternative be open enough to them.

I, I, it's, yeah, it's a lifeline in many ways, but it's also so needed.

Tiffany Rochester: I think it's desperately needed, and I think so often the, the first thing that people think about at the point of separation is about whether or not to call a lawyer. And calling the right lawyer can be incredibly useful and and helpful, but for the most part, lawyers are trained.

How to fight and how to win arguments and people who are separating are really, really good at fighting already and they don't need those skills. They really need people to be wrap around them, community, wrap around them, support and, and to really them

Tatiana Da Silva: and be kind with them in that. 100%. That's a tweetable moment right there.

I know. It's not called Tweet anymore, isn't it? It's X out.

Um, but I know that on occasion you recommended my podcast to some of your clients, and so I'm really interested for you to share your perspective on that. Like what do you think it was that drew you to want to, to share some of the things that I talk about on this podcast and drew us together? Um, in a way other than the fact that we know.

Uh, we we're both very values driven and mission driven.

Tiffany Rochester: We are, I think we had such a shared framework. Uh, you were, you were conservative in, in what you said there, Tana, because you said I occasionally recommend, but, uh, I act very actively recommend your podcast frequently and apart from the higher regard that I already held for you from my own experiences of, uh, talking with you and, and working you.

Um. It was episode two that completely caught me. Episode two. It all begins with the relationships, and in the episode you talked about the long lasting influences that relationships have in our lives. You talked about the outcomes on health, and it was really that, that shared understanding about how much we need to heal relationships.

Mm. And how important is to able to have those healthy connections in family. And it was that episode that I, I sent it out to my membership that week saying, you need to be listening to this episode. And then I think as you've gone through with some of your other episodes, there are parts that, that you speak to that I know resonate with my client base that aren't.

Necessarily parts that I speak so well to in terms of the, the wider connection to, to the more, and that sense of spiritual connection. And I think there is great values for people to be able to listen to the way that you share that information. 'cause of the other core thing. The other core overlap that you and I have.

Which is about a fierce commitment to science and not hanging out intellect up at the door, and seeing that the two go hand in hand. That, uh, it having a, a connection with your spiritual wellbeing isn't separate. From having a strong adherence to science and rigor and wanting to understand, you know, how the world works through that lens.

So yeah, I see a lot of aligned in the way that, that you and I approach our position. Yeah,

Tatiana Da Silva: and you're right, like it, like science doesn't need to be devoid or separated from this conversation at all. Right. And I, we, you and I have spoken about this off air before. I believe wholeheartedly that your mission is actually a very spiritual mission because our relationships are the vehicles for our spiritual evolution while we're here, right?

It's in learning to, to navigate those, those moments of conflict and, and challenge that we, we are able to move more fully into what we're becoming, you know, full love of beings at, at the end of this journey. And so. I find that work like yours is so important because whilst I'm here talking about spirituality more overtly, you're talking about it in a similar way, like in a different way because.

We have seven plus billion people on this planet and people will need to listen to these messages and be guided in these, in these lessons in different ways, right? So what I speak to will resonate with some people and what you speak to will resonate with others, but we're still pointing them in the right direction.

And I think it's, yeah, it's beautiful how we've life has thrown us together in this way.

Tiffany Rochester: I'm very grateful for it.

Tatiana Da Silva: Very, very grateful. Me too. Um, but can. Can you walk us through maybe a little bit of your own personal journey with spirituality?

Tiffany Rochester: Yes, for sure. So, uh, not dissimilar to you, I, I grew up with, uh, exposure to organized religion and grew up in the Christian tradition.

And, uh, I, I went through a stage of, well, that being I, and I think again to do with those teen years when, when black and white is really. But when you, you really wanna know what's in and what's out. And I think that's always been a part of the teen years, that strong identity adherence up and, and digging in the heels.

And, and I was digging my heels into a very conservative, um, very restricted way of experiencing religion and spirituality. And thankfully, my parents were a little more open-minded. You know that saying, you know, I, I love you too much to let you stay that way. I, they worked very hard on that and uh, and indeed I remember distinctly them pretty much forcing me to go in here a theologian that they really respected the time, uh, John Shelby Spong, and I was very resistant to going.

And when I sat there and listened to him speak, it really, I don't know. It really opened my young developing adult mind into where small overseeing things and how restricted, um, I, I had most of my parents release. Um. And then it, it was shortly after that that I, I went to uni and at that point I, I first started uni thinking that I might do a double degree in ology and theology, because now that this had been woken up, uh, I, I was like, well, I wanna explore all of this.

And I remember, again, some of my conservative connection saying, uh. Uh, you know, if you, if you had this faith, you did not need to, uh, ever study theology. And, uh, and I had that view very externally then, thanks to my parents that I was never gonna hand my intellect in at the door. Mm-hmm. I didn't get a double degree in theology, but I, I did, I did study some theological units and, uh, and again, they kind of.

Blew me wide open mm-hmm. Into a very different, far broader way of looking at the world and, and gaining that perspective that I had grown up in a Christian tradition. So it made sense that a lot of my ways understanding the more the ways that I understood the spiritual world fell into those, those Christian metaphors, but the parts that were deeply uncomfortable me, that there was only one pathway and there were.

Clear black and whites and right or wrong, but I could see how that, how my upbringing had been looking at how, how we put words to them all in the same way that people across many organized religions and those who are connected, excuse me, spirituality, outside of religion, have different words, different menopause, different ways of describing that, which is greater than us.

Yeah. Um, so then. I, I left that in theology as, as I said, and, uh, and I also left organized religion, um, because I found that I didn't need the constraints of, uh, of a chapel hall or of a preacher up the front to help me connect with what is important to me in my sense of the, and, um, my awareness of the greater.

Tatiana Da Silva: Yes.

Tiffany Rochester: How

Tatiana Da Silva: beautiful. Um, and I think, you know, when we speak about spirituality there, there are many labels that get attached to it. But really that's, I, from, from my perspective, that's actually the best definition of spirituality or spiritual practice. It's that remembrance of the greater context behind everything that we're experiencing here, right?

Um, and if you have that connection, it can often make life so much easier to navigate. Um, but for you personally, what do you feel were some benefits that you experienced or found in incorporating spirituality into your life on that personal level, this broader spirituality that I guess, that you, you've just started speaking to?

Tiffany Rochester: I think for me it's, it's so much about being more open to the awe and wonder and about not having to have. That it's all right that I don't understand the full picture of everything that it is to be on this planet here now and all of the, what's come before and all of the, what comes next and that, that shared humanity team, right.

That, um, that we are all in this together. And that we do better when we are in connection with each other. So I think for me that's, there's no loneliness in it, but we are more, we're open to how important it's to be in connection with those around us.

Tatiana Da Silva: Yeah. Beautiful. So what value do you feel like there is for.

Us as psychologists and therapists to embrace those spiritual levels, if any, like, or to even be curious about spirituality for those who haven't even began to peak, um, at what this pot could potentially

Tiffany Rochester: offer. Well, I think it's, I think there's an arrogance for any profession that holds itself out to have all of the answers and no.

Things. And one of the things that you mentioned, uh, at the start in terms of the way that you learn I work is that, uh, we have, we have slightly different lenses. We have slightly different ways of talking about things. We'll draw upon different PPAs, different life experiences. You and I have a lot of similarities, so it's quite, quite likely that anybody who works really well with me is gonna adore you.

But, but there will be people that, um. That would never be right to sit with me that I, I, I won't have the right words or the right way of connecting or, uh, maybe the right availability in my diary. And, and I think to, to limit them to say, well, you, you must see somebody who comes out of the same old as me.

That's the only answer I, I think, limits them to so many other. Opportunities and, and from us, from so many other ways of exploring how to really support and resource and, and nurture people. That, again, I spoke about at the start, about the wraparound that I want for, for our families in transition. And that is often far beyond lawyers, coaches, and therapists.

It's looking at, at the teachers, it's looking at the, um, religious traditions that people are part informal or, or informal. And, um, the whole wider ecology. So, um. And I think, I think if we try and reduce everything down to what we learned in, you know, lecture A or lecture B as B went through uni. I, I think, I mean, that'd be kind of a really small career, wouldn't it?

But I, I'm thinking about some of the most profound moments that we have clients in the room, the kind of sessions that. Just take your breath away and, and you get to the end, you go, that was what we did there. It was seriously powerful. Mm. And when I reflect on those sessions, it's never because, oh my gosh, I use the super most amazing tricks that I learned at this incredible pd that there has been something co-created between the clients with me, yes, myself there.

Wisdom, experience, my knowledge of wisdom. And the more that, that there's a space for the more to be present there.

Tatiana Da Silva: Oh, that's so beautiful. I would love if you're, if you feel comfortable with this to share, if you would share maybe a, an experience that that speaks to that where you've witnessed, uh, maybe a transformation in, in a, um, with, with a client or if you can wanna speak to, to themes more broadly.

Where you, you've been able to see what it does to people to transition them from that combative stance to this openness and willing to collaborate that you're, you're so effective at facilitating for people.

Tiffany Rochester: Uh, yeah. I, I glad you up that the board of themed idea, I, I, as some of the exams came to mind. I was thinking that, you know, they're such.

Yes, of course. And, and so deeply personal, I think, of course. Um,

I think one of the, one of the things that can happen is in the same way that we point restrict ourselves by, you know, what did I learn in my formal course 0.8 point C? That our clients can come in with a, a similar view of, this is how I see the world, this is how the world's together. And then in that space of co-creating, when we might look at some different perspectives and different ways of, of being or, um, I think the question of what does that transformation look like?

I'm thinking about a lot of work that could be quite powerful, is about helping parents tune back into their own experiences of. Their own moments of feeling deeply loved and cared or their, their own moments when they yearned for that and that need was not met. Uh, the times that they have been scared or lonely or isolated or felt unlovable in that little skin that they had there, then.

One of the things that I often talk about is that inside our programs we don't tell people what to do. There's enough people telling them what to do. Yeah. We just help them find that to do it and, and what I see over and over again is that where we take the time to look at what those experiences were like, people know exactly what it's that they need to do next for themselves or their children.

Um, that, that they have that deep wisdom within them and, and that space for it to wake up. And so then we're not looking at science says, you need to do A, B, and C to be a good co-parent or, or, or the reduction of strategy of don't shield your kids to conflict. Um, you know, and, and, and communicate better.

You know, that's so small. But in, instead, we can open up all of that wealth. Wisdom that already we just need to move those other things. And then what, in terms that transformation, what we often see is people feeling really confident about what to do next. Yes. To do nextly different from what it was they thought they had to

Tatiana Da Silva: next before.

Right. Interesting. And so what do you think gets in the way of them being able to, to connect with that wisdom? I think

Tiffany Rochester: part of it, I'm just gonna out our, our wider context. We have such terrible modeling about how to handle a healthy separation and um. We have in our, in our sitcoms, our movie narratives, uh, in our media, we, we have estrangement modeled as the norm, or we have, uh, weak weekend, um, parents demonstrated as the norm.

But the idea that people can raise children, part of one found in two homes, that's not the dominant narrative. So, so they're not getting exposed to those concepts. And then when people separate, because none of us. Uh, exposed to the, these concepts in the water supply, then friends and family do what friends and family think is the most loving thing.

They kick a side. Yeah. And when they kick that side, they, they wrap around the side, they've chosen, and then with great love, with great care, with all good intentions, it can actually reinforce a narrative about authority. Yes. Conflict. And then they, they may go and get some legal advice. And the legal advice may be start keeping data.

Yes. Um, just in case this all goes terribly. Yes. Um, so all of the, all of the energy and attention is in the wrong place. And of course, if people, people don't generally separate 'cause they're having a really great time and, and life is that they're separating. When they're fight and flight, when things have been hard for a long time.

So their memories that are associated with all of that pain are the ones that are most prevalent and they often start in that fight flight mode, which is not, not where we're open to new ideas, new thoughts, new concepts. We need to be in a space where we can, so where we can feel safe in order for the rest of us, the rest of ourselves, to be able to open up and contribute.

Tatiana Da Silva: 100%. We have such a long way to go, don't we, in terms of, um, revitalizing or maybe dismantling completely the system that exists so that people don't even end up in those, in those places. But I would love, 'cause I, I always find it so inspiring the few times we've spoken about. This big remission and vision that you have, right?

For what you're trying to create. Um, to speak to that vision a little bit, paint it for our, for our listeners today. So

Tiffany Rochester: I want for there to be museums where people go and learn about the barberry process of family court because nobody ends up there anymore. When a family separates, when a relationship separates.

That the dominant narrative is how do we wrap around support, nurture, and care outta this family so that the two home family becomes a norm. That when people go to, um, their, their children's boarding games together or they host birthday parties together, or they have Christmas together that nobody's pointing to them going, oh my God, that's amazing because it's so mainstream that that is the expectation and not an expectation with a wic, but an expectation as a gift where if you are not there yet, everybody wraps around.

You both Yes. Just help you transition to there. Yes. Ultimately, if we get there, Tana, what we're gonna see is we're gonna see a reduction in separations anyway, because we're going to see people that are fully connected to who they are to, um, being in touch with their values, being able to make room for their uncomfortable feelings, being able to interact with their thoughts in flexible ways, which means we're not gonna see people getting caught in relationships that don't serve them to begin with.

So, I mean, my big vision, I'll be redundant.

Tatiana Da Silva: I joke about that all the time, like, but our job is to be redundant in people's lives. Right? Like once they have the skills they don't need Yeah. They don't need people like us anymore. Uh, that's beautiful.

Tiffany Rochester: Um, yeah. So at, at the starting stage, just really, really fierce about building that community of co-parents who share this vision for collaboration over conflict.

Yeah. It's, it's learning when you're doing on your own. But my goodness, may we do well when we're in

Tatiana Da Silva: connection with each

Tiffany Rochester: other.

Tatiana Da Silva: Oh, hundred percent. And I, I would be curious to hear your thoughts on how, you know, for those that are listening here, who may have loved one or close ones that I'm maybe about to go down this path or maybe going on this path themselves.

Like, what's something for them to be mindful of that can, that they can already use or grab hold of too? Set themselves up to go through this process in a, in a positive way, or how they can show up for those around them that might be going through this process in a really helpful, loving way, truly helpful, loving way, um, to set them on the path to this better outcome.

I guess.

Tiffany Rochester: There, there's several things and I think at the, at the personal level, one of the things that I recommend to. Who is separating and has children is to think about what is the story that you want your adult children to tell you about how you, how you transition them through these dark days.

Again, that wisdom sits within each of us that you'll know. You'll know the story that you, and if you hold close to that, that. Figure out the steps from A to B. So that would be the first one. But then to be really, really practical, one of the things that I hear so often is, is parents say things like, you know, it shouldn't be this hard and we should just be able to sit down and talk about, and we should be able to figure it out.

And I think, oh my goodness, just that go of all of those shoulds, you're asking too much of yourselves. If you have been in a relationship where there has been conflict and hurt. It would be lovely for sure as you could sit down and resolve it for yourselves, but, but don't ask that much. I, I think like if I, I know what I want for the health and wellbeing of my kids, right?

And so if my kid is unwell, I know that I want them to be healthy again, and I can be really clear on that. But the thing I'm gonna do is take them to a doctor. To the physio. I'm not gonna say it shouldn't be this hard. I should be able to do this by myself. And so unless you are making a career outta health separations, which.

I dunno, that kind of seems a bit of a bizarre to do, but you know, unless you, unless you have a career of, of divorces under your belt where you have an ful wonderful relationship with all of your co-parents, probably the first, maybe the second time you were doing this, it is a great thing. It is a great thing to bring somebody in early.

To sit with you so often what I find is co-parents already wanna do what's in the best interest of their kids. They want to be fair, they want to be, um, a good co-parent to the person they're separating from. It's just they dunno what that actually is. What, what is the right shared time arrangement. If you have a 2-year-old or an infant or a 13-year-old yes.

You're supposed to be an expert in that. You're supposed to be an expert in, uh, being human maybe and, and doing whatever it is that people pay you to do for a living. But there are those of us who, who do bring that knowledge, who can sit there and have really clear conversations with you about how to step through the process right from the get go.

My favorite time to start working with a a family moving across the two homes is at the point that they're about. Because at that point it is so easy to put in place the supports for that family as they move through a really, really healthy transition. And the longer they leave it, the more is for conflict to get in the way.

Then the harder it's so in that tiny bit with a, a coach, someone like me, okay, uh, is I think it saves winners. Months, years of sleepless nights.

Tatiana Da Silva: Yes.

Tiffany Rochester: So much conflict and definitely a massive production in any legal phase. And then within that, if people are looking at whether or not to involve a lawyer, uh, I'm a very, very big fan of collaborative practice.

So we're talking about family court needing to end is, it's important that people know that I'm not anti lawyers at all. They're a, they're a brilliant. Who share that same vision of wrapping around families with support and nurture. And they can be found within collabor, excuse me, the collaborative practice space and in a collaborative, rather than having legal representatives biting each other, the lawyers and the coach, and a financial mutual, an encounter of financial advisor wrap around the family.

Yes. To look at how do we all together. That you need provide to be able to have a healthy transition so that we're not coming up with an agreement or how do you get through this time and hoping, hoping that everybody kind of sticks to it and relying on being able to take it back to court if somebody contravenes instead, we're predicting a planning.

For what could go wrong to look at what supports do you need in place so that your trajectory is a healthy one? What does your family need to thrive rather than what is the bottom line that we can get you to sign off on by the end of the day? It's a far more gentle way to work with a family.

Tatiana Da Silva: Yeah, that's so beautiful.

And I think one thing that. Is worth adding to, to what you've just outlined, is that in, in many ways, it's an also an act of self-compassion to reach for those supports early. Because already, even when we know deep down it's the right decision, it's still a harrowing moment, right? Because nobody gets married thinking that they're going to get divorced.

And there, there, there's so much grief that comes from that and so many. The struggles that come from that in how, in our sense of identity, as well as all these other, these other things that you've outlined. So to reach out for the, the support that someone like you has to offer and these collaborative practices have to offer is an act of self-compassion as well.

Tiffany Rochester: Completely. Completely. And aren't people generally really, really bad at self-compassion? Oh, yes.

Yeah. It's a real act of care and kindness. And if not for yourself, then for

Tatiana Da Silva: your kids. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Breaking this patterns and yeah, setting the tone for the next generations and changing that trajectory in a positive way. It's so important. That's how we also create a new, more loving world, isn't it?

Tiffany Rochester: It really is. Yeah. It really, really is.

Tatiana Da Silva: Yeah. Beautiful. Um, so I guess in the final reflection, what would you say is one transformative aspect of, I guess, the things that we've been talking about, or if you wanna talk about spirituality as well, um, both on a personal and professional level, what would that be for you?

Tiffany Rochester: think, um. There, there are two things that I, I found wanted to talk about with that Ana, and one is about the fascinating conversations that I have with my, uh, my teenage son who helps me understand as best I can, the, the ideas of quantum entanglement. Oh, cool. And how, and how the, the wide web.

Communicate, uh, between trees in, in rainforest, and I think about how much we don't yet know. Yes. How much we don't yet understand. And, and when I think about this concept, I mean, my mind just explodes. And so that takes me to the other part, which is one of the favorite, uh. Frames of reference that, um, my, one of my mentors, Kelly Wilson uses that I, I I, I come back to so often, but which is to appreciate people like they are sunsets and not math problems.

And for me, anytime that I am sitting with somebody and I'm feeling. Stuck, and I'm not quite sure about what the right step is or, or what, what we're gonna do in, in that session. The thing that has always happened is I've stopped looking at them like a sunset and I started thinking about them as a maths problem.

Tatiana Da Silva: Right?

Tiffany Rochester: And when we look at a sunset, I don't need to understand how refresh. I don't need to understand everything about evaporation and precipitation. To be able to be a witness to the clouds. Yes. To be able to appreciate beauty and be able to sit in the aura and the wonder, and when we can sit in the aura and the wonder of the beautiful human being that is sitting right there in front of us.

Yes. Then so much more is possible. Not because I'm trying to insert it into that space, but because it already sits there with a glorious sunset at present in the,

Tatiana Da Silva: yeah. Oh, that's so beautiful. And I guess guide them also to connect with that within themselves. Right. So much self-judgment and negative emotions that will cloud that view for them too.

That's beautiful. Um, thank you so much for this. I guess like maybe one final recommendation is of a transformative book that you feel everybody should have on their bookshelves.

Tiffany Rochester: I do, I do have one. Uh, a dear colleague, Renee Collier is her name. She gifted me this book recently and. I found out later from her that it was a recommendation that she received from one of my other great mentors, Louise Hayes.

So this recommendation comes from, from high lineage, um, all these wise

Tatiana Da Silva: masters. That's right.

Tiffany Rochester: Book is to Die by Older and Deborah Chu and, and it is a gorgeous, we start down as an experiment between two friends who challenged each other to. Spend a moment just noticing one unique thing each day. And I think we often talk broader, larger concepts of, of mindfulness and gratitude.

And this book is the most delightful, simple reminder of how. Easy this process can be, and as I read it for myself, the first time I found myself photographing page after page and sending them out to various people in my network because it just captured so much of the shared humanity. I would like to put it on everybody's coffee table.

It's a really beautiful, beautiful reminder about,

Tatiana Da Silva: uh,

Tiffany Rochester: showing up and being present as life is.

Tatiana Da Silva: Oh, how lovely. Thank you so much for that share. I'm sure. Um, I'll find, uh, a link for this book and I'll put it in the show notes as well for people who are curious to, to have a look at it. It sounds amazing and, uh, like it offers a lot of, uh, valuable skills and insights, um, in day-to-day life, I guess.

Yeah. Uh, I've really been so grateful for this conversation. Like I said from the beginning, I think the work that you do is just. So incredibly important. If we have any hope of creating a more loving, compassionate world moving forward, the work that you, that you offer, the world is going to play a very big part in that.

Um, so thank you for coming on and sharing, sharing what you do. And do you have any final thoughts that you'd like to add or how people may find you and work with you?

Tiffany Rochester: Uh, so anyone who's looking to connect with me, our website is co-parenting companion au, or they can find me on Instagram, Facebook, or LinkedIn at Co-Parenting Companion.

I am a big fan of people being able to. Have a really good poke around and, and a look at how we work and, and how we do things before, uh, making a decision about whether we're the right fit. So I think podcasts like this are, are, are really useful because people can, in fact, do their own hope, can just have that listen.

Uh, we also have a, a free course available, six steps to reduce co-parenting stress. And not only is the course free, but every one of the six strategies is free to implement. It takes about 15 minutes. Implement it from day one, and it can just take that first lot of pressure off to bring ease into co-parenting.

And at the moment we have a special invite just to people who are completing our six steps course to come to a live to our webinar, breaking free from broken systems, how to co-parent with ease without lawyers or mediation. So now is a really good time to come and check us out.

Tatiana Da Silva: Oh, fantastic. I'll add all of those links into the show notes so you can check out all of Tiff's wonderful resources and offerings and get to know her a little bit better.

And yeah, once again, TIFF, I'm so grateful to have you join me today and for you imparting your knowledge and wisdom with the listeners. And I hope you'll have a lovely week and we'll speak to you next time. Thank you so much. It's been a real privilege to be a guest, Ana. Thank you. Thanks everyone.

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